Darsana of August, 1992
Tridandisvami Sri Srimad Bhaktivedanta Narayana

Even conditioned souls are qualified for bhakti, but
for attaining raganuga-bhakti a greed is necessary.
Greed comes by hearing the very beautiful and sweet
pastimes of Lord Krsna from any rasika and tattva-jna
Vaisnava, by reading the books of Srila Rupa Gosvami
and Srila Jiva Gosvami, by reading Srila Sanatana
Gosvami’s Brhad Bhagavatamrtam, by reading Sri
Caitanya-caritamrta, the explanations of Srimad
Bhagavatam by Srila Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakura and
by reading the books of Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura.

If anyone reads these books, a very beautiful greed
will surely manifest. It is bound to come, even to
lusty and cruel persons. Do you know Sri Bilvamangala
Thakura? He was very lusty for a prostitute named
Cintamani, and yet he received this greed. By hearing
and reading, and by associating with a rasika
tattva-vit Vaisnava, one develops a little greed and
thinks, “I want to serve Sri Krsna like Lalita and
Visakha,” or “I want to love Krsna as Mother Yasoda
loves Him. He should be my son,” or “I want to serve
Krsna as Subala-sakha does.” If this kind of greed
arises in a person – even if he is very lusty and has
many material desires and seems like a very wretched,
stupid and nonsense person – he is qualified to
receive raganuga-bhakti.

[Question:] How does this greed pertain to Srila Rupa
Gosvami’s verse: “Adau sraddha tatah sadhu-sango tha
bhajana-kriya tato ’nartha-nivrttih syat tato nistha
rucis tatah…….?” On what level does this greed come?

[Srila Narayana Maharaja:] A person who is practicing
vaidhi-bhakti and reaches asakti and bhava, may or may
not have greed. Ajamila had no greed, and a devotee
like him will go to Vaikuntha. On the other hand,
greed may come at the beginning stages, by ones
association at the time of sraddha. Sraddha is of two
kinds: aisvarya-mayi and lobhamayi, which comes by the
association of a rasika Vaisnava. By that association
sraddha may come for Vraja, then nistha will come for
Vraja, then ruci will come for Vraja, asakti will come
for Sri Sri Radha-Krsna, and the bhava will come
through Lalita, Visakha, Subala-sakha, Mother Yasoda
and so on.

For those whose sraddha (firm faith) is towards
Vaikuntha, their nistha will also be Vaikuntha-mayi
and their ruci will be Vaikuntha-mayi. Their bhava
will also be Vaikuntha-mayi, and they will go towards
either mukti or Vaikuntha. Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu has
not come to give Vaikuntha prema. When He was on His
way to Vrndavana, passing through the jungle, the wild
beasts saw Him and heard Him calling out, “Haribol,
Haribol.” Tears filled His eyes, and He was not in a
position to see where He was or what He was doing. If
any animals were touched by His fingers or any part of
His body – or even by His sound vibration of “Haribol
Haribol” – they began to turn into suddha-bhaktas, In
their next life they would have very strong sraddha.
They would not go to Vaikuntha immediately, but their
sraddha, nistha and ruci in their next life would be
very powerful and they would advance towards pure
vraja-bhakti. All the management is in the hands of
Caitanya Mahaprabhu, or Sri Krsna.

[question:] So you are saying that greed can come on
any level?

[Srila Narayana Maharaja:] Yes, even to one more
wretched that a kanistha adhikari. Kanistha adhikari
is so high.*[See endnote]

[question:] Some people say one has to be free from
anarthas for this type of greed to come.

[Srila Narayana Maharaja:] This is apa-siddhanta.
This is not written anywhere in Sri
Caitanya-caritamrta or in the books of Srila Rupa
Gosvami and Srila Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakura. A
person may be more wretched than Bilvamangala, Jagai
and Madhai and others. First bhakti will come, and
then all offences will disappear. These are the rules
and regulations of bhakti. It is not correct to think
that we have to give up these anarthas before bhakti
manifests. Bhakti can come at any stage. Srimad
Bhagavatam has explained this. Those who are animals,
those who are ladies, those who are males, those who
have sraddha, those who don’t, and those who have
nistha, ruci and asakti. Wherever they are, they
should begin bhakti.

Bhakti is not an impersonal thing. She is a person. As
Sri Krsna has a personal form and a personality,
bhakti has also. The root personality of bhakti is
Srimati Radhika – hladini sakti. So we bow down to
Bhakti devi and pray that she may enter our hearts.
When she comes she will clean our hearts and arrange a
place for Radha and Krsna. First let bhakti come into
our hearts, and then all evil and bad things will
disappear. This is the process.

Bhakti-lata-bija means the seed of bhakti. This is not
sraddha; rather sraddha is its symptom. That seed is
actually the tendency to serve Krsna: “I should serve
Krsna.” First, one in any stage will hear hari-katha
in the association of a pure bhakta, and then this
mood comes: “I want to serve Krsna.” When this stage
manifests, the outward symptom is sraddha, faith in
the words of guru, sadhu and sastra. Then, from
sraddha this mood comes: “I will follow my Gurudeva. I
will follow the words of sastra.” Nistha will then
manifest, and the devotee will be continually
thinking: “It is better to follow all the principles
of bhakti.” After that ruci (taste) comes. Then asakti
(attachment) comes, and at that time the devotee
cannot leave his bhajana. At this time his bhakti
becomes natural.

Asakti is of two kinds: the first is asakti towards
bhajana – hearing, chanting and remembering
Radha-Krsna in sadhu-sanga. Then the second comes.
Automatically; without effort, asakti manifests
towards bhajaniya, that is, Sri Sri Radha-Krsna and
Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu.

Then bhava comes. Bhava is not of this world. It comes
from the combination of hladini- sakti and
samvit-sakti (Krsna’s spiritual pleasure and knowledge
potencies). It is situated in the heart of Mother
Yasoda, Nanda Baba, and all other Vrajabasis. In
karma, jnana yoga and tapasya there are many rules for
qualification; but in bhakti, everyone is qualified to
receive it. Everyone is qualified for raganuga-bhakti
if they have greed. If a man has greed but was lusty
and spoke lies – no matter what stage he was on before
that greed manifested – this sloka applies to him:
“Api cet suduracaro”. Do you know this sloka? What is
the meaning of suduracarah? It means bad behavior. We
should see that person as a very good sadhu, because
he will be changed in no time.

We should try to engage our entire energy in bhakti,
and in that way we will have no time to commit
offences or sins. Bhakti will help and give so much

[question:] First there is asakti for bhajana and that
turns into asakti for Radha and Krsna?

[Srila Narayana Maharaja:] Bhakti will come and sweep
away all bad things and material impurity. Nothing can
be cleansed away without bhakti.

Our line is one: Lord Krsna, Brahma, Narada, Vyasa,
Sukadeva Gosvami; and after that Madhvacarya,
Madhavendra Puri, Isvara Puri, Caitanya Mahaprabhu,
Svarupa Damodara, Raya Ramananda, Rupa Gosvami,
Sanatana Gosvami, Jiva Gosvami, Raghunatha dasa
Gosvami, Krsna dasa Kaviraja Gosvami, Syamananda
Prabhu, Narottama dasa Thakura, Srivasa Acarya,
Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakura, Baladeva Vidyabhusana,
Jagannatha dasa Babaji, Bhaktivinoda Thakura, Srila
Prabhupada and so on. A real raganuga Vaisnava will
not be in a different line. They will come in this
line. Otherwise, all attempts toward raganuga-bhakti
will become destroyed and rotten; and followers of
other processes and lines will go to hell.

At first you should try to do bhajana and, by this,
all your anarthas will go away automatically.
Impurities in your heart will automatically be
eliminated. Go on practicing bhakti, by chanting,
remembering, and hearing from a very best and most
qualified guru.

When we begin to practice the procedures of bhakti,
reputation comes automatically. So much praise and
money comes. So many persons give respect. We should
understand that all of these are obstacles for our
bhakti. We should not be happy, thinking that we are
obtaining all of these things by our bhakti. Bhakti
does not give anything other than suddha-prema, pure
love for Radha and Krsna. If anything else is coming
you should know that it is coming from impure bhakti –
not suddha-bhakti. Understand? Bhakti doesn’t give
anything other than further advancement in bhakti. If
other things are coming, we should think of them as
the results of our gauna-bhakti (bhakti mixed with
impurities), not pure bhakti.

No one could give praise or money to Srila Rupa
Gosvami, Srila Sanatana Gosvami and Srila Jiva
Gosvami. They went straight towards Krsna-prema. We
see that we, on the other hand, are doing very little.
We perform gauna-bhakti; and thus name and fame are
coming and so many buildings are coming, and we will
think that all of this is coming due to bhakti. If one
is sincere he will understand that all these things
are coming from gauna-bhakti, not suddha-bhakti. We
should try to be far away from all of these things. We
should be niskincana and akincana. We should not be
madmen, as this will destroy us. Such thinking is an

When we perform kirtana we don’t feel sleepy. But when
we prepare to do sandhya-ahnika and guru-mantra, sleep
comes at that time. This is also an aparadha. We
should insure that we make no offenses against
Vaisnavas, Tulasi, Ganga or Yamuna, and we shouldn’t
commit Vaisnava or guru-avajna (negligence of Guru and
Vaisnava) in any way. We should not envy a Vaisnava,
or scriptures like the Bhagavatam, or Tulasi, or
anyone or anything that is related to Lord Sri Krsna.
Tulasi, Ganga, Vaisnavas, Vraja Dhama and so on are
all tadiya (in relationship with the Lord). No offence
should be made to them in any way; not even in a
dream. When we are related to this world and we are
full of self-interest, we are bound to commit
offenses. We should be far away from these offenses.

By our svarupa, our original constitutional position,
we are Krsna dasa. Jivera svarupa haya nitya-krsna
dasa. This potency is within all jivas, whether they
are conditioned or liberated. This spirit to serve
Krsna will always be present within us; but now, by
the influence of the illusory maya, this tendency or
spirit is covered. If somehow all of our offenses and
attachments to worldly things go away, and at the same
time we have sadhu-sanga, that potency will manifest.
This is the process.

Sadhu-sanga is necessary. If ones constitutional
spiritual form is that of an associate of Radha and
Krsna in Vraja, in gopi-bhava, or like Mother Yasoda’s
vatsalya bhava, and that person is associating with a
devotee in pure dasya bhava (servitorship), like
Hanuman. Then, by this association, that devotee can
rise up to the level of Hanuman; that is, pure
servitorship. After that the association will change,
and this will be arranged by Lord Krsna if we are
fully surrendered. For example, you have not done
anything for coming to Vaisnava association. Krsna has
arranged everything for you, and thus you have easily
come to your Gurudeva. Krsna’s very condensed karuna,
mercy, has come in the form of Guru and Vaisnava.
Sometimes this mercy comes in the heart, sometimes by
any pure Vaisnava, sometimes it comes from Tulasi,
sometimes from Yamuna, and sometimes from Govardhana
and Radha kunda. All these are the same, and
especially, that mercy coming from Vaisnavas is so

Bhakti – real bhakti – will come in you and then you
will be a Vaisnava, like Prahlada Maharaja and Narada.
Narada Muni sees Kamsa as a Vaisnava, what to speak of
others. If one wants to see in this way, he should try
to develop his bhakti to such a platform that, by
reaching which he will see that everyone is a Vaisnava
and very dear to Krsna.

“Krsna’s cows and calves are Vaisnavas. They are
serving Krsna better than I, so I want to die and to
become a calf. I want to become a cukoo bird or a
peacock. They are more fortunate than I.” Who is
telling this? Srimati Radhika. When a person will
become a high-grade Vaisnava, he will see that
everyone is a Vaisnava. He will see that everything is
like Vaikuntha or Vrndavana. By our own endeavor we
cannot do anything to attain this stage.

[question] What about ghosts?

[Srila Narayana Maharaja:] If we are absorbed in
hari-katha, then, what to speak of ghosts, even the
forefathers of ghosts and their forefathers will not
come. Ghosts will not be able to touch us. If anyone
does not believe in the power of harinama, Krsna and
bhakti, he will be committing an offense and he will
be ruined. Do you understand? No ghost can come if one
is chanting harinama. If one says that ghosts are
coming and attacking him, you should know that he has
committed many offenses. We should be very faithful
towards Krsna’s name and bhakti. What to speak of
ghosts, no evil will come. No one will be powerful
enough to disturb you. Dozens of very powerful ghosts
used to live here, but when we came and chanted
harinama, they at once fled away – at least 100 miles
away — and now they cannot come here.

There is a well inside here, and it used to be full of
ghosts. I brought water of Yamuna, with Tulasi, and
put it in the well. All the ghosts were released from
that maya and they chanted “Haribol, Haribol.” They
became so happy. If ghosts are coming to any person, I
will say that he is not a devotee. He has no faith in
Krsna, His name and His bhakti. Such a person will die
and become a ghost himself.

Lord Krsna will come as Guru, and if you are not
following, it is not the fault of Krsna, sastra or
Guru. It is your fault. After five or six months of
being away from home and living in the matha, my wife,
father, father-in-law, grandfather and a dozen
prominent villagers came to me and forced me to return
home. To please them, I did so. I was at home for four
days. At that time I was sick, with a fever. On the
last of the four days, at midnight, I awoke and
started out for the matha again.

Some men told me, and I knew, that there were many
places where ghosts played in the night; and no one
could pass through these places. Those ghosts were in
the shapes of buffalos, bulls and very dangerous
creatures, and they used to play among themselves.
While I was going to the matha, I had to cross one of
these places. I only had one dhoti – no kurta, nothing
else. I carried only my tulsi mala and I was chanting
“Hare Krsna…” Fearlessly, in that dark night, when no
one was anywhere to be seen, I walked the long
distance to the matha.

[* Endnote – The stage of kanistha bhakti, although
the neophyte stage, is so high.” – This is because it
is not ordinary that one will have faith in the Deity
form of Lord Krsna and in the bona fide guru; Simply
wearing dhoti and sari will not suffice. -bda]

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